tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post9220004288339623803..comments2023-10-19T08:07:01.709-04:00Comments on drinkdrank: Hop Scrounging in the HelderbergsCraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14129472719929268755noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-19467716132085190522012-09-02T12:26:38.331-04:002012-09-02T12:26:38.331-04:00Oops. Mixed up the hops there. Cluster are citrusy...Oops. Mixed up the hops there. Cluster are citrusy-grapefruit and humphreys are apricot-y. For what it's worth. <br />Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872123191784724533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-70689192351120052032012-09-01T12:24:59.533-04:002012-09-01T12:24:59.533-04:00Here's where it gets interesting, are Cluster ...Here's where it gets interesting, are Cluster hops of today English clusters, or something all together different? Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-65349109839077808432012-09-01T10:17:12.372-04:002012-09-01T10:17:12.372-04:00Yes, it is originally definitely descriptive. Noti...Yes, it is originally definitely descriptive. Notice also how Canada becomes "True Canada" in the writing because, first, it is just a hop brought to CNY from Canada before 1860 and then there is a false plant imported that is crap. Cluster is just the hop that grows in clusters. In the 1835 Senate report, no one mentions a variety at all. Alanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-80156086644839959682012-09-01T10:08:22.074-04:002012-09-01T10:08:22.074-04:00The Senate report calls both the English and grape...The Senate report calls both the English and grape "cluster" hops but omits the "cluster" in Pompey hops. Interesting. Maybe cluster is a descriptor to how the cones actually grow, rather than simply a proper name? Your article on Hops in the 1880s also notes Humphreys and Palmer as well as Canada and Californias. I did a search for Humphreys and came up with a few hits, but all were very late 19th-century. Palmer yielded one result from 1876. Humphrey and Palmers may have been latter cultivars, perhaps replacing the less successful Pompey and Red Bines?Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-31838690640258031252012-09-01T09:44:22.933-04:002012-09-01T09:44:22.933-04:00Here is what I am seeing as a distinction. In the ...Here is what I am seeing as a distinction. In the 1880s, there is this thing called "English Cluster": http://beerblog.genx40.com/article/nyhopsin1880s <br />English Cluster in 1871: http://books.google.ca/books?id=HUMfAQAAIAAJ&dq=Pompey%20hops&pg=PA253#v=onepage&q=Pompey%20hops&f=false<br /><br />In 1865, a helpful NY Senate report describes three varieties - English Cluster, grape cluster and Pompey: http://books.google.ca/books?id=r2YbAQAAIAAJ&dq=Pompey+hops&source=gbs_navlinks_s<br /><br />But in the 1860 it is just Cluster: http://beerblog.genx40.com/archive/2010/august/albanyalewhat<br /><br />You see in the progression from 1860 to 1883, the wording large and small Cluster being lost becoming called English Cluster and Grape.Alanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-84044866361959609912012-09-01T09:33:20.963-04:002012-09-01T09:33:20.963-04:00That is some richness of the base.
Try this oneThat is some richness of the base.<br /><br />Try this <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=YY4aAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA3&lpg=RA1-PA3&dq=%22English+cluster+hops&source=bl&ots=x0l-GXDCWU&sig=isyr7bDnBbpEP9weZO2P7kX8ll8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4A1CULTICOnH6AH1goCoAg&ved=0CEgQ6wEwAw#v=onepage&q=%22English%20cluster%20hops&f=false" rel="nofollow">one</a>Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-30191278293742614802012-09-01T09:13:39.910-04:002012-09-01T09:13:39.910-04:00I only got this! http://homepage1.nifty.com/zamma/...I only got this! http://homepage1.nifty.com/zamma/Clusters.pdfAlanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-24747903396416419102012-09-01T08:07:38.762-04:002012-09-01T08:07:38.762-04:00The link in the text—English Cluster, Grape, and P...The link in the text—English Cluster, Grape, and Pompey—points to a publication from 1864 and 1865. But if you do a Google Book search for any of those names you get publications through out the 19th-century.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-20703675581931051032012-09-01T07:43:39.685-04:002012-09-01T07:43:39.685-04:00Excellent stuff, Will. When do you see "Engli...Excellent stuff, Will. When do you see "English Cluster" starting as a descriptor? I only seeing Cluster or even big and small cluster pre-1850. Also, who is testing and verifying? Alanhttp://agoodbeerblog.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-33950700863540902182012-08-31T20:55:06.280-04:002012-08-31T20:55:06.280-04:00Are the hops pictured on you blog the English Clus...Are the hops pictured on you blog the English Clusters?Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-43959600326244892012012-08-31T20:50:12.064-04:002012-08-31T20:50:12.064-04:00Excuse me, I need to send a few emails...Excuse me, I need to send a few emails...Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00374706510870731159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1282140921851003304.post-21925101127852056842012-08-31T19:23:56.200-04:002012-08-31T19:23:56.200-04:00I've located dozens of feral hops growing arou...I've located dozens of feral hops growing around Oneida and Madison county, including a few of which I believe are of the Pompey variety. Most were found in old hop fields, growing in hedges. Also, I have an authentic English Cluster and Humphreys hop plant, which has been tested and verified. The English Cluster is almost exactly the same as the Humphreys, although the latter is ready to harvest a few weeks earlier. Both are citrusy in flavor, last years E.Cluster hops are intensely apricot-y and have a very pleasant herbal quality. The Humphreys two years ago were pure grapefruit juice.<br /><br />I brewed my version of Albany Ale not long ago. It's tasting lovely. Will be dry hopping it here shortly.<br /><br />http://perfectpint.blogspot.com/2012/06/brew-day-albany-imperial-ale.htmlWillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13872123191784724533noreply@blogger.com